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Statistical Election Study: Today's NY Times article and how we can help Current rating: 0
12 Nov 2004

I received this today to post on Whoseflorida.com for Kathy Dopp, who is directing the statistical study of the election, and wanted to post it to the NWFIMC. Please contact her directly if you can help.

I received this today to post on Whoseflorida.com for Kathy Dopp, who is directing the statistical study of the election, and wanted to post it to TallyIMCPlease contact her directly if you can help.

Statistical Election Study: Today's NY Times article

Hello Everyone,

Thank you for the overwhelming response to http://USTogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

I apologize for anyone I've offended in the last week from crabbiness. I've tried my best to use the responses to my work to collect a list of volunteer mathematicians and programmers and others in order to organize a project to systematically mathematically study the 2004 election to pinpoint counties/precincts where vote counting errors may have occurred, and to provide evidence that can be used in court for persons investigating this election. It will be a two year project and we will need your help.

Right now, I simply need you to let people know about the NY Times article today called

"Vote Fraud Theories, Spread by Blogs, Are Quickly Buried"

Vote Fraud Theories, Spread by Blogs, Are Quickly Buried
By TOM ZELLER Jr.
Some Web logs were swift to provide dark theories about the presidential election, but others were just as quick to debunk them.

Are we going to let them "Quickly Bury" the truth?

I think Not.

Please counter the one incorrect statement in it about our statistical study, and thank the author Tom Zeller for mentioning me so often in it. That is really good for us.

The one small mis-statement was:

"...the suggestion of a link between certain types of voting machines and the vote split in Florida has, at least for now, little concrete support.'

Tom based his statement here on the online analyses of social scientists from Princeton and Cornell that were difficult to understand.

Please point people to this thorough rebuttal of the criticisms of our group's mathematical study of Florida's voting patterns:

http://ustogether.org/election04/dopp/dopp_response.html

so that the the truth stays out there.

(How Folks in Florida can Help)

It looks like we will be soon needing some local volunteers in Florida to obtain the district election results for the Presidential and US Senate and US Congressional races for us and possibly mail it (on electronic media) or input put it into a spreadsheet (all the raw data) and send it to us for every precinct/county in FL, but especially the mid-sized ones in our study. We will also need the same by precinct election results for OH which may also have to be obtained by hand there.

I need to know precinct level results by ballot type (early, absentee, precinct, and provisional) plus what type of counting method was used for each type of ballot.

I will email you again re. that. later in case you can help.

We are making progress in database design and obtaining a business structure (nonprofit business) to begin this operation and will let you know how you can help.

Again, thank you for the overwhelming response. It is so good to know that there are an army of people who want to make sure that the 2004 election was counted correctly and put in place a system for letting candidates mathematically analyze the patterns to see where votes may have been miscounted. Our group has much work to do to set up a database on a server, collect and input all the data, write programs to access it and display it, develop our methods, test our methods against recounts, etc. I am convinced our methods will work.

Please ask people to read this response to our detractors:

http://ustogether.org/election04/dopp/dopp_response.html

-- Kathy Dopp US Count Votes http://USTogether.org/Florida_Election.htm


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Re: Statistical Election Study: Today's NY Times article and how we can help
Current rating: 0
13 Nov 2004
Please do not ask people to contact me. Instead ask them to go to the web
page and sign up for the email list to find out how they can help.


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I apologize for not answering personally or seeming brusque, but I am
tired and have been flooded w/ responses to:

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

---Please do not email me or reply to this email; please also remove me
from your cc list or any mail lists.

---Please do "NOT" send me information about voting machine problems or
newsarticles! We are doing mathematical analyses of specific data sets,
not of news stories.

---Please also do "NOT" send me your mathematical analysis.

We are planning a comprehensive analysis of the 2004 election results. We
will develop, design and test the methods to pinpoint counties which look
likely to have errors in their election results, and provide our analyses
to those who want to request recounts under the FOI act. We will also
evaluate our methods against any recounts.

By the 2006 election we will have a statistical system in place to
pinpoint election anomalies immediately, using county exit polls and other
data. Candidates could then use this information to make decisions about
recounts (e.g. prior to conceding).

We have formed a group of volunteer statisticians, mathematicians and
programmers. MS and PhD level statisticians/mathematicians who would like
to join our efforts, please email me.

New statistical analyses and explanation by Josh Mitteldorf of Temple
University Statistics Dept. is available here:
http://ustogether.org/election04/mittledorph/Liddle.htm

To do:

The best thing you can do to help now is to sign up for the email list to
receive updates. To be notified of what you can do to help, send email to:

election04-subscribe (at) truthisbetter.org.

We'll let you know when we need donations or volunteer help.

You can support having more trustworthy and open voting systems by helping
this group:

http://openvotingconsortium.org

Please publicize our link to anyone you think would be interested:

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

If you would like to work on the data yourself, the sources are listed at
the bottom of the page. Note ohio does not have registration by party, so
this exact method of study cannot be used. There are other by county
comparisons that can be done for Ohio, but the data is more difficult to
obtain.

How to copy the data from a web page into Excel using MS Word: Copy and
paste text into MS word, select "all" and convert text to table (you may
have to adjust a few characters to make it plop into the table cleanly);
select "all" again and copy and paste into Excel as text.



Thank you very much.

Kathy Dopp